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Kawil · Jan 03, 2009, 12:18 AM // 00:18

Perpetua...if you wish to educate us with your legalese then I suggest you go back and hit the books. You purchased a game with a user agreement. In that "contract" you agree to abide by the rules...which are set up by Anet.

Do you really think that Anet hasn't had their own lawyers look at this "contract" to make sure it's legit? Although...sounds like you have a beef with Mike Z as your argument always comes back to him. Maybe you need to just relax, lol.

Perpetua Gale · Jan 03, 2009, 12:27 AM // 00:27

KAWIl...
Agreeing to contract that is illegal is NOT enforcable.... business law 101. It doesn't matter if you sign it a 1000 times... my return to mike z is nothing more than to show that there is clearly selective enforcement of policy which in turn would nullify the EULA I am not a Law student but have friends in the law program at UW the 8th best Law school in the world as rated by HARVARD uni. I have spoken to professors and L4's which I doubt you know what that is. Sure no doubt ANet has attorneys, I believe that they EXPECTED Anet to have a clear STANDARD regarding bans and not rely on selective enforcement. FYI that doesn't mean they are immune and beyond reproach just because they had a generic form of a EULA..lol..

The forth fly · Jan 03, 2009, 12:29 AM // 00:29

easy play euro,stay away from the fat 12 year olds and you'll be fine

Kawil · Jan 03, 2009, 12:51 AM // 00:51

8th best eh? Well...that's good. Have you reported Mike Z, thus confirming your supposed selective enforcement?

However, your logic is quite inferior as it happens to be irrelevant. You really have no proof other than hearsay. Unless you've been banned for....possibly....breaking the rules and are now just out to make some noise. Either way, I'm sure Anet has more than enough proof not only to hold up their argument, as to their bans, but your and everyone else's check mark in the "I agree with this EULA" box.

the savage nornbear · Jan 03, 2009, 01:06 AM // 01:06

Definitely make a QQ thread. Also stop spamming.

snaek · Jan 03, 2009, 01:25 AM // 01:25

perpetua...its hard to standardize it since the topic is highly subjective
they prolly have multiple ppl handin out the bans wit variable tolerance levels of wuts acceptable or not

its totally up to anets discretion of wut should be an offense or not

even then...im sure the players have more power than the admins do regarding the matter, through the /report command
if enough ppl reported mike the azz...im sure he would be given the name changer

player using /report > admin

and no, ur not buying a game
ur buying access to their servers
anyone is freely able to download the full game off their website

Perpetua Gale · Jan 03, 2009, 01:25 AM // 01:25

Mike Z's wiki page shows his characters names...SELECTIVE ENFORCEMENT OF THE EULA NEGATES ITS VALUE...are you missign some basic understanding... just as if you have a law against weed and you only bust the blacks..it negates the law... it is happening in all states regarding crack cocaine and blacks... wow SELECTIVE ENFORCEMENT NEGATES THE POLICY/LAW....it does NOT matter if you check the box or not..the law is the law

I assure you, when faced with possible legal issues Anet will make a standardized policy on bans... All they have to do is send a msg "you have been reported for abuse/spam/ect.modify your behavior or lose chat privileges."

So I guess because a GW live team member uses "AZZ" we should assume it is not against the EULA and not an attempt to skirt the chat filter?..kewl...
All companies have immature members that set a dangerous precedent and the company may not agree with. I think of a waitress that wont wait on non whites..... Denny's restaurant chain paid millions to settle that one... Inconsistent standards in business leads to a lot of problems. I dont believe Anet proper is even aware of the inconsistent practices of some of its employees.. til they get faced with a lawsuit.... I'm curious .... who on the design team made the penis sword a few weeks ago... it was removed fairly quickly after it caused such a commotion..and I'm sure a reprimand to that designer was issued...

Commander Ryker · Jan 03, 2009, 01:30 AM // 01:30

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Originally Posted by Perpetua Gale

Mike Z's wiki page shows his characters names...SELECTIVE ENFORCEMENT OF THE EULA NEGATES ITS VALUE...are you missign some basic understanding... just as if you have a law against weed and you only bust the blacks..it negates the law... it is happening in all states regarding crack cocaine and blacks... wow SELECTIVE ENFORCEMENT NEGATES THE POLICY/LAW....it does NOT matter if you check the box or not..the law is the law

He is allowed to keep his name because no one has reported it as offensive. There is nothing wrong with the word ass (as evidenced by the fact that guru allows it) or azz unless and until someone reports it.

Go ahead and sue them and let us know how that works out for you.

snaek · Jan 03, 2009, 01:33 AM // 01:33

did u not read my post?

like i said...its highly subjective with a million amount of variables
one must portray good judgement

and since there r many ppl handling nemerous cases,
differences will naturally occur

add to the fact that many bans r only handed out to /reported players afaik

if "mike kicks azz" hasnt been banned
most likely no one found him to be offensive to report it

often i find that players who use /report command judge it based on user name + user behaviour
not jus user name alone

make a chara named, "perpetua kiks azz"
do not spam or offend anyone by wut u say...and see if it gets banned

however, once u start using bad behaviour...it starts to nullify the banning solely on name

Perpetua Gale · Jan 03, 2009, 01:43 AM // 01:43

THE EULA states that trying to skirt the chat filter in GW is a violation of the EULA it says nothing about someone having to report it. Since GW chat filter DOES remove ass and azz clearly is an attempt to skirt this filter that account is banable regardless of reporting according to the EULA.

fusa · Jan 03, 2009, 02:26 AM // 02:26

Your argument of unless every person is caught and punished then no one person can be punished is extremely ignorant. That isn't enforceable in Washington, or any other state, city of town in the USA, or any other country in the world. There is a big difference between discrimination based on sex, religion or race and your "selective enforcement of rules". Anet doesn't have records of your race or religion.

Zebideedee · Jan 03, 2009, 03:16 AM // 03:16

There was a login message that said, use All (main) chat to sell, would result in a ban, It got taken over by the Wintersday one, maybe you haven't been reported, just doing what they warned you/us (I always apologise when I shout my trades in main by accident, some people don't like it, seems ANet feels the same) about?

Stockholm · Jan 03, 2009, 03:43 AM // 03:43

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c) Rights to Use Accounts. By agreeing to the User Agreement you agree that you do not own either the Master Account or Game Account (collectively, the "Account") you use to access the service, the characters created on the Account and that NC Interactive stores on NC Interactive servers, the items stored on these servers, or any other data from which the servers and accounts are comprised.

According to the above ANET can do what they want and you have no say about it. You only paid for access and if you abused the rules they can shut you off.

PS. AZZ or ASS is not a word that would get you banned, try looking it up.
As long as it is not grouped with "hole" it is a common word.

HawkofStorms · Jan 03, 2009, 03:50 AM // 03:50

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Originally Posted by Perpetua Gale

YEa thats cute... Anet reserves the right to do whatever they want... but it does NOT hold legal weight... a business reserves the right to refuse service..but if you are only refusing service to blacks,asians or whoever your gonna have big LEGAL problems. A BUSINESS CAN'T DO WHATEVER IT WANTS...WITHOUT A STANDARD . you may also want to reference pharmisists refusing to sell birth control and the subsequent lawsuits UMM and FYI you clearly don't understand how a class action suit works.. these cases are done on a contingency basis..which means the lawyer wont take it unless he feels he can win and is paid when judgment is granted nothing comes out of the pockets of the litigants... FYI it also includes 100's and 1000's of those who have been affected.. all it takes is one lawyer to see that ANETS standard is in error...there are multiple examples of selective enforcement of policy when it concerns anet ban policy. This isn't a matter of just OMFG HE CROSSED THE LINE HE MADE 2 all CHAT recruitment MSGS OUR LIMIT IS 1...BANNED PERMANENTLY!!.. MAYBE MIKEY Z FROM THE LIVE TEAM NEEDS TO BE PERMANENTLY BANNED FOR TRYING TO SKIRT THE CHAT FILTER FOR USING "MIKE Z KICKS AZZ" you don't need anymore legal proof of selective enforcement than that. But I assure you there are MANY more examples

Incorrect. A.net gives you a liscence, not a lease to their product.
They can revoke that liscence.

Any first year law student could tell you that. Don't spew stuff if you don't know what you are talking about.

Some_guy · Jan 03, 2009, 04:41 AM // 04:41

Quite simply, They own the account. They can do whatever they want to their own property. You are paying for them to allow you to use it. They can take that away at anytime, as you do not own it, they do.

So yeah, the EULA is something that sets rules for something they already own, so... They can do whatever they want to what they own. Plus, they are in Korea.

Also, please get rid of the caps.. hard on the eyes, you know.

**Marty Silverblade** · Jan 03, 2009, 05:04 AM // 05:04

You know, if this really bothers you then you should contact Anet. If you think that Anet dudes name is offensive, then report it and maybe you'll get somewhere. Complaining on a fansite won't help the situation.

dilan155 · Jan 03, 2009, 05:39 AM // 05:39

there is a simple way to check this whole mike and azz thing, report him. and if you get enough ppl to report him and then he doesnt get banned then you might have a case, albeit perhaps not a strong one. another more expensive thing sue them, what is the point of trying to convince a bunch of people in a forum on the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing internet, your not gonna achieve anything. bring us proof of them being sued and your winning the case and im sure thatll shut everyone up.

Darkobra · Jan 03, 2009, 08:38 AM // 08:38

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Originally Posted by Perpetua Gale

I seriously believe that Anet is treading on unstable ground regarding bans. I have spoken to several Law students/ professors at the UW in Seattle, Wa. which would be the jurisdiction for any actual damages. It certainly appears that there is NO standard to which bans are issued. Selective enforcement of codes/procedures/laws effectively nullifies that specific code/law/procedure. You can NOT ban someone for offensive names while you maintain one. You can NOT pick and choose. There MUST be a consistent standard. Curious that Live team member mikey z has a char named mike kicks azz.. I have seen names banned for less obvious offensive names. Its just a matter of time til some people come together for a class action lawsuit against ANET regarding banning of accounts. If anet doesnt like my spamming and they have a specific standard, then they can REMOVE my ability to chat... THEY HAVE NO LEGAL BASIS TO REMOVE MY ACCESS TO GAMEPLAY FOR WHICH I PAID. Some of you may flame this ect. unless you are familiar with WA. state legal code your comments are uninformed and dont tell me abut anets lawyers. If they indeed had any they would be aware of selective enforcement. ANET better figure it out before a class action suit hurts their financial bottom line more so than it is now. Even now as I type, letters are being drafted by A few L4's to be sent addressing this issue. stay tuned

You shouldn't sign contracts you don't agree with.

-Lotus- · Jan 03, 2009, 09:06 AM // 09:06

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Originally Posted by Perpetua Gale

UMMM... in case you didn't read carefully SELECTIVE ENFORCEMENT OF A POLICY NEGATES ITS WORTH. To ban an account based on that premise would negate the terms of the EULA. If you want to have an enforceable EULA you need CONSISTENT STANDARDS.

what kind of argument is this? no law enforcement is fair. everything is selective. from speeding tickets to capital punishment, there is no standard for punishment. someone going five over might be given a large fine, while someone going 15 over and passing someone in a double yellow might only get a warning. A multi-murderer might be given life with a possibility of parole, while someone convicted of second degree murder might be put to death. does this negate the worth of traffic tickets and prisons? no.

obviously, this is an extreme example, but you cannot pretend that any form of human-controlled punishment in this world is actually fair.

Erizneth Corithius · Jan 03, 2009, 09:21 AM // 09:21

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Originally Posted by turbo234

actually if i remember correctly, if it was you im thinking of, you were being rude to someone putting up recruiting messages in LA and said you hate recruiting messages etc etc and then said spam spam spam a bunch of times trying to mock them. the recruiter had done nothing wrong but you were just being disrespectful to that person and in fact did spam.

WAAAAIIIT.. thats a missunderstanding or a lie or something coz im not like that and i know for a fact ive never done that, however i think you guys are right when u say i sell/buy things in general chat, i do hat lots, could that be what it is???

Jan 03, 2009, 01:25 AM // 01:25	#26
snaek Forge Runner Join Date: Mar 2006 Profession: N/	perpetua...its hard to standardize it since the topic is highly subjective they prolly have multiple ppl handin out the bans wit variable tolerance levels of wuts acceptable or not its totally up to anets discretion of wut should be an offense or not even then...im sure the players have more power than the admins do regarding the matter, through the /report command if enough ppl reported mike the azz...im sure he would be given the name changer player using /report > admin and no, ur not buying a game ur buying access to their servers anyone is freely able to download the full game off their website Last edited by snaek; Jan 03, 2009 at 01:28 AM // 01:28..

Jan 03, 2009, 01:25 AM // 01:25	#27
Perpetua Gale Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Apr 2005	Mike Z's wiki page shows his characters names...SELECTIVE ENFORCEMENT OF THE EULA NEGATES ITS VALUE...are you missign some basic understanding... just as if you have a law against weed and you only bust the blacks..it negates the law... it is happening in all states regarding crack cocaine and blacks... wow SELECTIVE ENFORCEMENT NEGATES THE POLICY/LAW....it does NOT matter if you check the box or not..the law is the law I assure you, when faced with possible legal issues Anet will make a standardized policy on bans... All they have to do is send a msg "you have been reported for abuse/spam/ect.modify your behavior or lose chat privileges." So I guess because a GW live team member uses "AZZ" we should assume it is not against the EULA and not an attempt to skirt the chat filter?..kewl... All companies have immature members that set a dangerous precedent and the company may not agree with. I think of a waitress that wont wait on non whites..... Denny's restaurant chain paid millions to settle that one... Inconsistent standards in business leads to a lot of problems. I dont believe Anet proper is even aware of the inconsistent practices of some of its employees.. til they get faced with a lawsuit.... I'm curious .... who on the design team made the penis sword a few weeks ago... it was removed fairly quickly after it caused such a commotion..and I'm sure a reprimand to that designer was issued... Last edited by Perpetua Gale; Jan 03, 2009 at 01:39 AM // 01:39..

Jan 03, 2009, 01:43 AM // 01:43	#30
Perpetua Gale Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Apr 2005	THE EULA states that trying to skirt the chat filter in GW is a violation of the EULA it says nothing about someone having to report it. Since GW chat filter DOES remove ass and azz clearly is an attempt to skirt this filter that account is banable regardless of reporting according to the EULA. Last edited by Perpetua Gale; Jan 03, 2009 at 01:45 AM // 01:45..

Jan 03, 2009, 03:16 AM // 03:16	#32
Zebideedee Jungle Guide Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: 55?? 57' 0" N / 3?? 12' 0" W Profession: N/Me	There was a login message that said, use All (main) chat to sell, would result in a ban, It got taken over by the Wintersday one, maybe you haven't been reported, just doing what they warned you/us (I always apologise when I shout my trades in main by accident, some people don't like it, seems ANet feels the same) about? Last edited by Zebideedee; Jan 03, 2009 at 03:20 AM // 03:20..

Jan 03, 2009, 05:04 AM // 05:04	#36
Marty Silverblade Administrator Join Date: Jun 2006	You know, if this really bothers you then you should contact Anet. If you think that Anet dudes name is offensive, then report it and maybe you'll get somewhere. Complaining on a fansite won't help the situation. __________________

Jan 03, 2009, 12:18 AM // 00:18	#21
Kawil Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Feb 2008 Guild: {Hawk}-->The Aerie Alliance Profession: N/Me	Perpetua...if you wish to educate us with your legalese then I suggest you go back and hit the books. You purchased a game with a user agreement. In that "contract" you agree to abide by the rules...which are set up by Anet. Do you really think that Anet hasn't had their own lawyers look at this "contract" to make sure it's legit? Although...sounds like you have a beef with Mike Z as your argument always comes back to him. Maybe you need to just relax, lol.

Jan 03, 2009, 12:27 AM // 00:27	#22
Perpetua Gale Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Apr 2005	KAWIl... Agreeing to contract that is illegal is NOT enforcable.... business law 101. It doesn't matter if you sign it a 1000 times... my return to mike z is nothing more than to show that there is clearly selective enforcement of policy which in turn would nullify the EULA I am not a Law student but have friends in the law program at UW the 8th best Law school in the world as rated by HARVARD uni. I have spoken to professors and L4's which I doubt you know what that is. Sure no doubt ANet has attorneys, I believe that they EXPECTED Anet to have a clear STANDARD regarding bans and not rely on selective enforcement. FYI that doesn't mean they are immune and beyond reproach just because they had a generic form of a EULA..lol..

Jan 03, 2009, 12:29 AM // 00:29	#23
The forth fly Krytan Explorer Join Date: May 2008 Location: england Profession: Mo/	easy play euro,stay away from the fat 12 year olds and you'll be fine

Jan 03, 2009, 12:51 AM // 00:51	#24
Kawil Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Feb 2008 Guild: {Hawk}-->The Aerie Alliance Profession: N/Me	8th best eh? Well...that's good. Have you reported Mike Z, thus confirming your supposed selective enforcement? However, your logic is quite inferior as it happens to be irrelevant. You really have no proof other than hearsay. Unless you've been banned for....possibly....breaking the rules and are now just out to make some noise. Either way, I'm sure Anet has more than enough proof not only to hold up their argument, as to their bans, but your and everyone else's check mark in the "I agree with this EULA" box.

Jan 03, 2009, 01:06 AM // 01:06	#25
the savage nornbear Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Apr 2008 Guild: The Raging Cadavers [rage] Profession: R/	Definitely make a QQ thread. Also stop spamming.

Jan 03, 2009, 01:33 AM // 01:33	#29
snaek Forge Runner Join Date: Mar 2006 Profession: N/	did u not read my post? like i said...its highly subjective with a million amount of variables one must portray good judgement and since there r many ppl handling nemerous cases, differences will naturally occur add to the fact that many bans r only handed out to /reported players afaik if "mike kicks azz" hasnt been banned most likely no one found him to be offensive to report it often i find that players who use /report command judge it based on user name + user behaviour not jus user name alone make a chara named, "perpetua kiks azz" do not spam or offend anyone by wut u say...and see if it gets banned however, once u start using bad behaviour...it starts to nullify the banning solely on name

Jan 03, 2009, 02:26 AM // 02:26	#31
fusa Krytan Explorer Join Date: Mar 2007	Your argument of unless every person is caught and punished then no one person can be punished is extremely ignorant. That isn't enforceable in Washington, or any other state, city of town in the USA, or any other country in the world. There is a big difference between discrimination based on sex, religion or race and your "selective enforcement of rules". Anet doesn't have records of your race or religion.

Jan 03, 2009, 04:41 AM // 04:41	#35
Some_guy Academy Page Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Over There Guild: [Wafl] Profession: Rt/	Quite simply, They own the account. They can do whatever they want to their own property. You are paying for them to allow you to use it. They can take that away at anytime, as you do not own it, they do. So yeah, the EULA is something that sets rules for something they already own, so... They can do whatever they want to what they own. Plus, they are in Korea. Also, please get rid of the caps.. hard on the eyes, you know.

Jan 03, 2009, 05:39 AM // 05:39	#37
dilan155 Desert Nomad Join Date: May 2007 Location: living room Profession: N/	there is a simple way to check this whole mike and azz thing, report him. and if you get enough ppl to report him and then he doesnt get banned then you might have a case, albeit perhaps not a strong one. another more expensive thing sue them, what is the point of trying to convince a bunch of people in a forum on the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing internet, your not gonna achieve anything. bring us proof of them being sued and your winning the case and im sure thatll shut everyone up.